Correspondent from New York
Was away for a month due to house repairs.
Follow-up from our last post:
http://delphihaters.blogspot.com/2011/08/bricksoft-im-strange-messaging.html
The person, buddy_isg (presumably the vendor Mr. Jiang himself) posted on another forum, whose response elicited an interesting reply:
The problem about Delphi is about a city (where 1 city is approximately more than 20,000 people) of kleptomaniac developers. Suppose there is a city of 20,000 residents. There would be enough people, good & services to generate a sustainable economy to power itself.
With Delphi, because of widespread kleptomania, the developers have deep urges to share everything and deep urges to download every VCL without paying, the vendors start to think they they are working for free and their forums are free-for-all questions for unpaying customers to ask questions and get responses, then ask questions "Please I need latest update (for Bricksoft)!!".
Part of the problem lies in the vendor's attitude. This attitude problem started many years ago, with the vendors jacking up prices (notably Embarcadero), giving excuses not to fix any bugs without paying some maintenance fee or otherwise.
The first, they tell you that you would get updates to the next version. Then they bait and switch, now they tell you have to subscribe to get updates, like as if I'm paying for the developer's cable subscription or car-loan.
Second, in order to get urgent support, they tell you to ****-off and buy the sources (fix it yourself) or make it so time-consuming to get any decent support or anything resembling any notion of a product fit for sale. Since VCLs are libraries and not full products, the component developers don't give a damn about producing full applications for sale. Think about it. You have to buy a report-writer, grid (because the one supplied by Delphi looks like garbage) and other things. Many developers go from one vendor to another to find adequate solutions.
If BrickSoft made a full instant messenger client supported by advertisements or a damn good Desktop client, your correspondent would give them a benefit of doubt and apologize, which is a 2cents better than the useless trolls who troll and post nasty things for the past decade against Delphi developers and never apologize.
Since this topic is about enterprise instant messaging, Your correspondent looked around and found a java solution that ships with full source code. It's from the very same people who supply the web-portion of the Embarcadero newsgroups. It comes along with gateway supports to other protocols (MSN, Yahoo, AIM, etc.), web-based client and desktop client.
When your correspondent see the prices Bricksoft offers (per year; 2nd year pricing information not included) vs other open-source Instant Messaging library solutions with their thousands of forum posts vs. Bricksoft's non-existent community, you can be sure this instant message solution is an instant solution to get yourself kicked out of your job.
If you were the business owner and gave this kind of thing to customers, you would make a huge loss and probably close down. But that's good isn't it?
Was away for a month due to house repairs.
Follow-up from our last post:
http://delphihaters.blogspot.com/2011/08/bricksoft-im-strange-messaging.html
The person, buddy_isg (presumably the vendor Mr. Jiang himself) posted on another forum, whose response elicited an interesting reply:
"you're totally wrong...
some years ago a friend of mine bought msn im without source from bricksoft..
he was told that updates will free till major version changes... fairy tales
he didn't have enough knowledge about chineese greed even bugfixes were majorupdate for its developer .. he always demanded fee for everything...he increased his product price so much that it discoureged you to buy full source version... so you have to pay for every single line he wrote as an update (even bugfixes)..his products won't work without server check which is build in all but enterprise versions.. so...if you see a delphi developer from china mainland , put a gun in his mouth and blow his damn head...it wont be a big loss..there are many chineese left."
The problem about Delphi is about a city (where 1 city is approximately more than 20,000 people) of kleptomaniac developers. Suppose there is a city of 20,000 residents. There would be enough people, good & services to generate a sustainable economy to power itself.
With Delphi, because of widespread kleptomania, the developers have deep urges to share everything and deep urges to download every VCL without paying, the vendors start to think they they are working for free and their forums are free-for-all questions for unpaying customers to ask questions and get responses, then ask questions "Please I need latest update (for Bricksoft)!!".
Part of the problem lies in the vendor's attitude. This attitude problem started many years ago, with the vendors jacking up prices (notably Embarcadero), giving excuses not to fix any bugs without paying some maintenance fee or otherwise.
The first, they tell you that you would get updates to the next version. Then they bait and switch, now they tell you have to subscribe to get updates, like as if I'm paying for the developer's cable subscription or car-loan.
Second, in order to get urgent support, they tell you to ****-off and buy the sources (fix it yourself) or make it so time-consuming to get any decent support or anything resembling any notion of a product fit for sale. Since VCLs are libraries and not full products, the component developers don't give a damn about producing full applications for sale. Think about it. You have to buy a report-writer, grid (because the one supplied by Delphi looks like garbage) and other things. Many developers go from one vendor to another to find adequate solutions.
If BrickSoft made a full instant messenger client supported by advertisements or a damn good Desktop client, your correspondent would give them a benefit of doubt and apologize, which is a 2cents better than the useless trolls who troll and post nasty things for the past decade against Delphi developers and never apologize.
Since this topic is about enterprise instant messaging, Your correspondent looked around and found a java solution that ships with full source code. It's from the very same people who supply the web-portion of the Embarcadero newsgroups. It comes along with gateway supports to other protocols (MSN, Yahoo, AIM, etc.), web-based client and desktop client.
When your correspondent see the prices Bricksoft offers (per year; 2nd year pricing information not included) vs other open-source Instant Messaging library solutions with their thousands of forum posts vs. Bricksoft's non-existent community, you can be sure this instant message solution is an instant solution to get yourself kicked out of your job.
If you were the business owner and gave this kind of thing to customers, you would make a huge loss and probably close down. But that's good isn't it?
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I am glad to hear that you did not suffer too much from the flood, but one month repair is still a lot. Phhh... that's not nice.
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